FreeRossDAO – February 25 2022 Community Call Transcript

by | Feb 25, 2022

Timestamps

00:00 – Start

02:50 – Media Pod Update

06:12 – Treasury Pod Update

10:06 – Meme Contest Announcement

23:39 – Upcoming Conferences

27:50 – UkraineDAO & Other Topics

47:30 – Wrapping Up


Rizzn:

Howdy, howdy everybody. This is Rizzn here. I’m running the Free Ross account today. And just going to let this sit quiet for just a little bit while we wait for everybody and my co-hosts and team to file in. There we go, here’s Renee. Here’s the request. Boom, there you go.

Renee:

Hey everyone, this is Renee, Operational Lead at the Free Ross Dow. I’m excited for today’s Twitter spaces, our weekly community call, always a great opportunity for the core team to organize our thoughts and share what we’ve been working on, what we’re excited about, what we’re focused on, get feedback from the community, hear what you all think we should be focused on and try to bring you into the fold as much as possible. We want to always empower people who are motivated and excited about the mission of the Free Ross Dow to be empowered to take leadership roles themselves. So these weekly calls are a great moment to help identify folks in the community that want to step up. So we always want to hear from people. Cool.

Renee:

I see some folks running in. We’ve got a great agenda today, we’re going to be catching up from the pod leads. We’re going to be talking about our meme contest. We’ve got a letter writing campaign that is coming up for Ross’s birthday that we’re really excited about. There’s some upcoming conferences that we should strategize around how to engage with. There is of course the horrendous situation happening in the Ukraine and that’s impacted our Dow and members of our community, so we’re going to talk about that and we’re also going to take questions from the community. So that’s the surface area that we’re going to cover, and to get started, we’re going to have the pod leads come on up. I see we’ve got UnicornDroppingz, we’ve got Schlomo, we’ve got Kyle and of course we’ve got Rizzn operating the Free Ross Dow account, and so I think we’re at a quorum, I would call this a quorum. So do you want to start with you Rizzn, you want to give a quick up date on what’s happening in the media pod this week?

Rizzn:

Yeah, I mean, we’ve been pretty focused on the launch of the meme contest this week, but we’ve also been doing a lot of other stuff at the background, we’re looking to add to our numbers, we’re getting somebody that’s going to be kind of the owner for the website, so their job is just going to spend an hour or two a day to just upgrade everything, the look and feel, add sections, add functionality.

Rizzn:

We’re adding that funnel system that’s going to be tied in with our Pull-Up Awards and kind of help incentivize for their community engagement. So that should be launched this week. I mean, we’re also kind of putting together this blogging team idea. So we’ve talked to everybody that’s involved and with the projected content creation team. So we were talking to Cathy Reisenwitz and a friend of mine who’s currently over [Tech Wrench 00:03:58], but has a content right team that’s want to help us out that will help us keep the website stocked with relevant information, and anytime we have a press mention, we’ll write it up there, so it’ll go blast out to all of our different social channels. So that’s the sort of infrastructure that I’ve been kind of focused on outside of the meme contest stuff that we’re launching today.

Renee:

Right, awesome. That’s great.

Rizzn:

Oh, and I should also mention since Nico is not here, that Nico has been hard at work getting Discourse up and running as well as the, what do you call it? The Dune Analytics Project starts today, and so I’ve been kind of, I wouldn’t say overseeing that, but we’ve been coordinating on that since that ties into the same functions.

Schlomo:

Hi, this is Schlomo, good morning everybody. What exactly is Discourse that we’re [crosstalk 00:04:57] these things?

Rizzn:

I’m sorry, I should stop using jargon like everybody knows exactly what I mean.

Schlomo:

I’m the one who’s the dumbest in the group, and slows us down every once in a while.

Rizzn:

Discourse is forum software that is kind of geared towards tying the community into the proposal writing process. So the idea there is that we’ll be able to more … Can have open registration for forum discussions around topics that are not suited for Google docs plus discord discussions.

Schlomo:

Right. Awesome. And just like he said, remember, you’re going to hear a lot about today, we are ramping up with more positions that are ready to be filled and actual actionable things for them to do. And in fact in almost every pod here. And so, if anyone here is smart on that sort of stuff to help Mark build these things, please step up, join us in the discord and let’s build things.

Renee:

Awesome. Let’s do just a couple more quick updates. I see UnicornDroppingz here, want to give us a quick update on the treasury pod and then let’s dive into I think what’s the most exciting thing we’re going to talk about today which is the meme contest.

UnicornDroppingz:

Happy to do that. So at a brief, we’ve got a circulating draft of the treasury report, which is, first one takes a little bit longer, because we’re sort of looking to identify how we want to do reporting on a monthly basis, when you select these things, you don’t want to change them frequently because that helps give you continuity month to month. So that’ll be getting released, I think we’re going to do a focused Twitter spaces on that early next week for folks that are interested in digging more deeply into treasury. And on that, you’ll also have a written report if you want to look at that separately, anything else you want me to go a little bit deeper on Renee?

Renee:

Mostly I want to see where, or let folks know where they can find that report.

UnicornDroppingz:

Ah, perfect. So we’re going through some review of that right now. I think we’ll probably post that on the Medium is my guess. And we’ll also have a Twitter space focus to it if people have questions. Does that seem fair?

Renee:

Yeah, that seems fair. So sounds like next week is when we’ll share more broadly for feedback. So if you’re not already in the treasury pod, you’ll see it next week.

Kyle:

I just want to add one thing. So I wrote up the community call from last week and on there I actually put a resource where you could track what positions the wallet has through Zapper and Aboard. So, feel free to check that out, that’s on the website. I think we’re going to be putting written content on our website and it should automatically get posted on Medium.

UnicornDroppingz:

Super cool. Okay.

Schlomo:

Awesome. In other words, things are finally starting to really show up into the public, right? We’ve been talking about that a lot in the discord lately and I just kind of want to acknowledge that it’s hard to see that institutional work gets done out in the public and now you’re seeing it all starting to roll out.

UnicornDroppingz:

That’s exactly right. My goal with this is to make it so that you don’t need to go through us to know exactly what we’re doing and why we’re doing it, and that you’ll have some updating measurables you can look at on a frequent basis.

Renee:

And Kyle, I know that you’re needing me to sign some stuff to get that set up, right?. As one of the multi signers, I’m going to need to push through some things, do analytics setup and everything.

Kyle:

Are you talking about EPNS?

Renee:

Yeah. And I know I’ve been underwater a bit on these things, so I just wanted to acknowledge that. I know you’ve been asking me to do some stuff that I haven’t had the time to dive into yet.

Kyle:

So I found out that on Ethereum push notification service, you can actually opt into to the snapshot channel. So if you follow us on Snapshot, you just have to connect your wallet and you just click, you search up Free Ross Dow, and then you connect your wallet, and then you could follow us. So every time that we post something on Snapshot, if you are on the EPNS app with the same wallet, you’ll be updated every time that anything goes out.

Renee:

Oh, that’s cool. We should maybe publicize that better in the discord and try to drive people towards that, but that’s cool.

Kyle:

Sure.

Rizzn:

Definitely. Let’s write that up.

Renee:

Okay. Well thank you for updating us all on that. Schlomo, why don’t we move to the meme contest, do you want to give us an update, like officially launching it today, what is it, what’s the structure, how do people submit, give us the full rundown? We want everybody in the community to really get behind this, this is the first proposal that passed the Free Ross Dow governance to take real world action. The first three proposals were all about setting up process, setting up governance, and now this meme contest is the first real world action. So we want to make sure it’s a success. So what’s the status? What is it? Give us the rundown?

Schlomo:

Exactly. Not only we wanted it to success and it’s our first real world action, this wasn’t written up from the top, it was written up from the community who wanted to do it. And it passed very well. I mean, it’s kind of excited, right? So in the end, it’s time for us to start engaging people in a human way about what this Dow is about, which is specifically freeing Ross, but in general, about prison reform and government oversight, and anything about that world that actually inspires you. So we want to just meme out Twitter and everywhere else, but a lot of it’s going to be about getting action on Twitter with hashtags and these graphics that our community will make.

Schlomo:

And so, what our hope is, is we get at least a hundred, which is so easy because I make memes on my phone all the time. We will show you all these generators that make it very easy to put the picture and write words on and throw it onto your Twitter, ask people to retweet it, and the top 100 of them, we have a price pool of free which is our actual governance coin and Ethereum. So the top 100. So you can make, let’s say 20 of them that end up in the top 100 and we will pay you for each one, right? Because it’s time to get our word out, we’ve collectively gotten all this money and now it’s time for us to collectively spend it to do what we’re here to do, which is bring more people into the world of Ross and freeing him and prison reform, right? So in a nutshell, that’s where we’re at. So we have a couple, oh, and there’s a post that was just tagged at the top here, right? Thank you Rizzn.

Schlomo:

Click that link and you’ll see all the rules. And this is a very simple contest in terms of, if you do mean hateful things as your meme, you’re out of the contest, right? I don’t really want to belabor the negative things that internet can do, but at the positive things, as a Degen creating memes is a very positive and powerful thing on the internet.

Schlomo:

So we’re going to speak the language that we’re here to do as Web3, right? And as a Dow itself and collectively see what we could do together, create together, publish all over the place and support each other with retweets, right? And see what exactly our community could do. And that in a nutshell is what it’s about. But we have links to the posts that you could see the rules, we have links to mean generators, we have links to a folder of Ross art that you could use as your background. So we have a lot of ways to help you make these easy memes. And for the next two weeks, launching today, we are just starting this whole contest. We just opened a discord channel that you could post your memes, we already have one or two already priming the pump in there. And in a nutshell, that’s where we’re at.

Renee:

Awesome. That’s fantastic. Thank you for that overview. I’m on the portion of the freerossdow.org website announcing the meme contest, I’m not seeing the link to download Ross’s art, or I’m I missing that somewhere?

Kyle:

So there’s a one pager that has already has all the links that we need or that everyone needs to … With Ross’s pictures and stuff. And also it will just explain all the rules really simply. And I think that tweet will be going out after this.

Renee:

Okay, great. And can that be updated on this website too? We should have the media assets for them to get access to here as well.

Schlomo:

Absolutely.

Renee:

And as part of that too, there’s some great pictures of Ross too that we can meme on and Ross’s art itself. And a couple of notes that I’d like to make on that is, I think there’s two directions that you could go with these memes. One is, there’s a lot of people that we could direct our anger towards, there’s lot of people that were responsible for carrying out this miscarriage of justice of creating this situation that has Ross a peaceful pacifist, someone who created the silk road with very idealistic intentions, resulted in him being in prison for two life sentences without chance of parole. There’s a lot of people that we could direct our frustration and anger towards and that’s reasonable because a lot of people did some pretty shitty things, but I think as much as possible, I think it would be great if we could stay focused on Ross and on the humanity of him and bringing attention to the powerful statements he’s made through his Twitter account, through his writings and just try to keep it as positive as possible.

Renee:

Because I think the biggest thing that we want to do is, not to tear down the folks responsible for this, just don’t even give them energy. What we really want to do is just change people’s perspective of Ross. So I’d love to see the memes stay as focused on that mission of reshaping the public’s perception of him. And sure part of that is letting people know that there were corrupt officers in this case, that there was tremendous political pressure exerted to hand down this verdict.

Renee:

And making people understand that is fine and useful and has its place, but I think as much as possible, just trying to stay focused on letting people know what an amazing, kind, generous, caring, intelligent, brilliant, visionary human Ross is, he’s not a criminal mastermind, far from it. And as I’ve said many times, we’re all poorer and society is worse off for having him locked up. He is already doing so much good from prison and he could do so much more as a free man. So that’s my hope for the meme contest, is that it stays positive and stays focused on Ross.

Schlomo:

[crosstalk 00:17:04] Inhumane, right? One thing we’re going to do in the discord, this is part of my job, is to tell everybody to join our discord if you haven’t. We were going to give a bunch of prompts, like Renee’s prompt will be somehow throw out. So every day, or every two days [inaudible 00:17:27].

Renee:

We’re going to host a number of letter writing parties where we do something like a Twitter space, where we all collaboratively write Ross well wishes on his birthday. And we also want to encourage people to write directly to him. So that’s going to be a whole thing, because we want him to be reminded on his birthday, which is a very painful time for someone who’s been in prison for almost a decade. We want to remind him that there’s a lot of people that love him and are thinking about him and care about him in his case and that he’s not forgotten. And I think his birthday’s the perfect time to do that. So that’s coming up. Looks like Jeremy is maybe not in a place where he can talk, oh, he’s connecting. Hey Jeremy.

Jeremy:

Hey y’all. Hey y’all, how y’all doing? So this letter writing thing, right? So I think that’d be a cool community event that, like we’re talking about building a bridge between Free Ross Dow and Ross directly, and that can be done by weekly letter writing parties. And so we will be gathering on the discord. We have a couple ideas, we might do a voice hang, maybe listen to some music or maybe even video. And we’re going to write letters, we’re going to talk about the importance of solidarity with prisoners, send positive message to Ross. And there’s a few options. We’re going to post something, a link a little bit later. That’s going to be every Thursday in the discord at 8:00 PM. Eastern time, is the time that we talked about, every Thursday. So everybody’s welcome to join us in the discord and we’re going to do letter writing and all that. So, be seeing you.

Renee:

And another aspect of that, oh, sorry Schlomo, I cut you off, you go man.

Schlomo:

Okay. What’s really great about the letter writing Thursday thing is, it’s not like these AMAs where we feel it’s like, as I was telling you, meeting our community and telling you what we’re doing, these are actually just like, we’re getting together to talk to each other as a community and write letters, we are going to get some sort of entertainment that’ll change, be it a speaker or DJ or whatever, it’s whatever y’all want to hear while you write letters and just get to know each other as opposed to being in these sort of situations and only talking about the infrastructure of the work, right? So I’m actually kind of looking forward to that.

Renee:

And one point I wanted to make about that too, and this is just also a reminder to the other leaders in the Dow is that I’d love to spin up something that takes advantage of Twitter to allow people to write Ross’s birthday well wishes. As we mentioned last week, let’s make sure to figure out what the tag is going to be, but use some hashtag that anybody who posts a message using that hashtag like, free Ross birthday or Ross Ulrich’s birthday, will include that in a letter that we send to him. So, just makes the friction very, very low, if you’re on Twitter and you want to say something to Ross, tweet it out, we’ll collect all those tweets, we’ll print them out and mail them to Ross so he can read them on his birthday. So really, really want to make sure we set up a structure to do that.

Rizzn:

Excellent idea.

Jeremy:

I love that idea.

Rizzn:

Excellent.

Renee:

So let’s just make sure that, that doesn’t get lost in the shuffle and that we can-

Jeremy:

No doubt, no doubt. We’ll definitely set up an interface. I like to Twitter, people could just put a hashtag and when it comes time, we’ll just compile all the messages that people have put together and send it to Ross. That is also convenient for people and also safer because sometimes some people are discouraged from writing a prisoner because of the fear of scrutiny from law enforcement, so you don’t have to enter an address to send to Ross with that way. So we will be setting up a system that allows people on the internet to send a message, a birthday wish. And his birthday is on March 27th, I believe, right?

Renee:

It’s towards the end of March. So we got a bit of time, so let’s get the infrastructure set up so that when the meme contest is kind of wrapping up, we can make that our next social media focus. And I think that could also be an ongoing thing, I mean, how cool would it be? That’s what’s one thing to think about too, is that, let’s keep it focused on the birthday thing, but I think it would be great too just if we establish some ongoing cadence of people who want to send Ross some love, send him a message that we will just regularly mail him stuff, because we just want to make that as easy as possible for folks to have a direct connection to Ross.

Jeremy:

No doubt. Regular, of course his birthday’s coming up, but I was saying every Thursday, so be there. Also, I think one other thing was in the proposal is that, everybody who takes a picture of their letter or sends a message over that could receive a Pull-up. So that’s another incentive.

Renee:

Love it, love it, love it, love it. And maybe even some free tokens as well. We want to grow the community of people that feel like they’re real owners of his work and owners in this community and owners in this mission. Okay, cool. So, of course, anybody wants to talk more about that letter writing stuff, jump in and ask questions, we can do that at any point. Other things that were on our agenda, we’ve got some upcoming conferences, don’t know if anyone has thoughts for South by Southwest or the GM summit for how we can activate on those.

Kyle:

Could you guys maybe talk about-

Schlomo:

We are activated, we are so activated, we’ve been invited to talk about our Dow at these places already, right? So we were very nice to be invited to South by Southwest the other week. I may try and fly out there, but Rizzn is in Dallas and he is definitely going out to Austin to speak on our behalf on a panel with, I’m not sure what the other Dows are, but I’ll find out. Maybe he knows, Rizzn you want to talk about who else is coming, do you know?

Rizzn:

I just got an email from Melissa this morning and she said, Change Dow is one of the other one that’s on there, that’s confirmed. And she sent, I’d have to dig for the flyer that she sent, but there was a lot of the usual suspects that were involved in the formation of Free Ross Dow, or also either at the event, or we’re going to be speaking in the panel that we’re invited to be on. I cannot find-

Schlomo:

So one thing we have not set up for ourselves yet is who lives in Austin, and do we want to do some tabling to help Rizzn and get out the course, we have the infrastructure to help you do that. So if anyone, excuse me, didn’t mean to, so if anyone’s here is in the Dallas area and don’t mind showing your face for our course, right? We would love to have you. We got a bunch of stickers, various kinds of stickers that were just made not two weeks ago that are dying to be put of everything in the world, and to be passed out to all these folks who are actually in Dows already and understand us, just don’t know us yet. And we would love for anyone on our community to step up, and we’re going to start finding you folks in the next week.

Rizzn:

Okay. I got the list by the way. Thank you for the vamping while I did that. So, Naja from Pussy Riot is a featured speaker there. You and I are on the featured list now, Jeremy McCain, which I don’t know how well he’s known in Dallas circles, but he is been a Dallas crypto person for quite some time. He kind of floats in the circles of Richard Branson. He does like an oceanic conservation crypto thing, Shera Lazar, and a few other organizations that I’m not familiar with, but it’s a full building.

Schlomo:

And I hope we’re going to figure out in the next coming weeks, because this is in three weeks? Excuse me two and a half-

Rizzn:

It’s coming in quick as South by tends to do.

Schlomo:

Yep.

Renee:

Awesome.

Schlomo:

All of a sudden, so we’re going to find out who’s in our community. If maybe there’s enough for us to have a meet up of each other and get to know each other face to face, I hope I can make it, I’m really starting to figure that out.

Renee:

I’m out for South by too, I’m on officially speaking on another panel, but it was my wife’s 40th birthday and we’re going to Hawaii instead. So I’ll miss South by.

Schlomo:

I used to speak at South by so much, I haven’t been in like 10 years, I don’t know.

Renee:

Austin’s my hometown, so I fucking love it. I’m bummed that I’m going to miss it, but I will be at some other things coming up just to let the community know, because I do love the idea of hosting real world meetup so we get to know each other, build trust, that’s what so much of this is about. So, actually, Buttercup Roberts who’s on the call, she and I are going to go to the Bitcoin conference in Miami in April. So we’ll have at least a couple folks from the Dow there during then, but cool, let’s keep burning through our agenda. There’s some other stuff that I think is really important for us to cover. One of them is of course the horrendous situation happening in the Ukraine. This impacts so many people and our community has been impacted by it quite a bit in a number of ways.

Renee:

But one of the most tangible is that Alana who was the lead in the operational pod, tremendous, tremendous supporter of the Free Ross Dow, working around the clock. She is from the Ukraine. She’s living in the UK right now, but her family’s all in the Ukraine and she has been understandably completely consumed by this over the last number of weeks. And she’s taken all of that anxiety and anger and fury and righteous rage and put it into building the Ukraine Dow. And she’s partnering with Trippy who is a big part of our Dow and Pussy Riot, who’s a big part of our Dow and Pfizer Dow, she’s collaborating with all those folks to set up the Ukraine Dow, which is fantastic. I’m a part of it, a lot of the other leaders in the Free Ross Dow are a part of it.

Renee:

And we encourage you to be a part of it too. We’ve retweeted a number of things from hers, so if you just go to the Free Ross Dow Twitter account, you’ll be able to find links to join the Ukraine Dow. It’s a really great initiative and we all encourage you to throw your energy, money, efforts behind that.

Renee:

The other aspect of this is that, Alana is still a part of the Free Ross Dow, but we want to make sure she has a 100% of her attention focused on the safety of her family and her fellow country people. And that means we need some new leaders in our community to step up to help us run operations. So we are looking to hire full-time folks that can help us run operations at the Dow. So if this sounds like you, please DM me or any of the other speakers and we’ll have a conversation about bringing you on as a paid contributor, but we’re starting to pick up momentum and we really need one or two additional folks that can focus full time on making sure that things get done, that nothing falls through the cracks and that we say what we’re going to do and do it on time.

Renee:

So, again, if that sounds like you, if you want to make this your full-time gig, please reach out to me or Rizzn or Schlomo, or anybody that you heard speak. You can message us here on Twitter. You can DM us, my DMs are always open and you can hit us up on the discord channel as well. So that’s a big thing. If somebody you know seems like a good fit, please make introductions as well. So there’s a couple other things, anybody else have any questions about that, or want to say anything?

Schlomo:

I just want to kind of put it out there is, a lot of people talk about figuring out how to get into this space, and this is a paid position with, not a fly by night situation and I’m looking forward just someone stepping up who really wants to get into this, it’s a very lucky position.

Rizzn:

Absolutely. Echoing what Schlomo said, and also to Alan’s efforts and everybody else’s efforts at Ukraine Dow, I mean, I know personally I felt as if the … When I heard what was happening from Alana weeks ago, I was like, this is tragic, but what can I do, how can I possibly have any tangible effect on what’s going on in the world at that level? And it’s kind of inspiring to see how quickly folks have rallied around Alana and the rest of the team over there at Ukraine Dow to do tangible things. And so, there’s been some interesting coverage in the press, I think Decrypt wrote nice little article about them, there’s another one coming out later today. So if you feel kind of overwhelmed and there’s nothing you can do, I would suggest reading a couple of those things and see if that community feels right as a way to actually do something, because they are actually doing something, it’s pretty cool.

Renee:

That’s super cool. And as we’ve seen, Dows are a fantastic tool for capital formation. And also what we’re seeing is that they’re great for taking real world action and that’s kind of where we’re at, with the Free Ross Dow, we raised a significant amount of capital and now it’s time to do the hard long work of affecting change. So I’m really hopeful and excited to see what Alana and Pussy Riot and Trippy and Pfizer Dow do with Ukraine Dow, and hopefully see some tangible real world actions from that Dow. I’d love to open it up to, again, anybody from the community that has ideas, I’ll sort of kick it off with two that I had leading up to this call. All of our time is constrained, so I love these Friday meetings as a chance for new ideas and new directions to bubble up.

Renee:

So one quick idea I had was, we own the NFT that was auctioned off by Ross, the one that you can see as our profile photo, as well as a number of other works of art that Ross produced over the last 20 years, and I would love to see our PFP on Twitter have the hexagonal shape. So I think it’d be super right if somebody from the Dow wanted to take point on that and go through the process of figuring out the logistics of actually doing that, because I know the NFT is owned and I acknowledge it’s safe, and there’s probably some hoops we’ll have to jump through, but I think that would be a really cool signal and shows that we really do value the artwork that we purchase. So just wanted to throw that out there as one idea, don’t know if anybody has any thoughts on it, but I’m excited about that.

Schlomo:

I mean, it’s the we just might as well turn it on through the app, it’s like what, $3 a month?

Renee:

$3 a month there, that’s trivial. I think there’s some logistics associated with getting it into a … The logistics of it are that the PFP thing only works on Twitter if the NFT is in a mobile wallet.

Schlomo:

Gotcha.

Renee:

So I’ll figure out how to transfer it to some mobile wallet or maybe there’s some other way to do that, but there’s some steps, we’ll take some time and we have to be careful about it because it’s a five million dollar NFT, so we don’t want to lose it.

Schlomo:

Amen.

Renee:

I think it’ll be worth doing. So anyways, that’s a thing that I just want to put on our agenda and to-do list and make sure it doesn’t fall through cracks, because I think it would be powerful and worth doing. Other things that I’ve been thinking about that I feel like we should talk about. One is how we structure the actual discord on discord. We’ve got a lot of channels going on and I think most of the activity, most of the interesting activity is happening in the core team section. That’s where people who have shown up and proven that over the time, are there to be a positive contributing community member, we elevate their permissions and roles on discord so they can engage in these core team channels.

Renee:

But I think also the visibility is set so that folks can’t see that until they are elevated to that role. And so I think it would be good for us to take a step back and think about how do we maybe simplify the number of channels that we have and then give bigger visibility in those channels where a lot of the actual work is being done to the general community, kind of take a little bit more of a building in public approach, just because I think a lot of folks who are just sort of entering the community don’t see how much work is happening and just having visibility into those channels seems like it would be valuable. Now, there’s some concerns there that we’d want to make sure that we have to think about that because we need to assume that there’s adversaries in the discord who are not friendly to Ross and we don’t want to tip our hand to stuff that’s happening.

Renee:

So, I don’t know if this is a good idea, but it’s just something that I’ve been thinking about a lot, is that there’s so much interesting conversations happening and a lot of work are happening that’s not being seen because it’s happening in this quasi private space. So I don’t know if anybody has thoughts about that, but I think it’s worth revisiting how we structure our discord to, A, make it more friendly when someone joins and not so overwhelming, and B, that we make it easier for people to see more of the work that’s happening. So anyways, I’m going to stop talking now if anybody else has thoughts about that, but it’s something that I’ve been thinking about over the last week.

Rizzn:

It’s a tough thing to try to tackle. I mean, I think that we might as we start to build a little bit more, I guess, unprivileged access community around maybe the letter writing campaigns, some stuff might grow organically out of that or the letter writing parties, I should say. But I thought that, I mean, I’d kind of been treating the core team or at least one of those core teams that we always chat in as if it was public because it was switched to an announcement style channel, and I thought that meant that it was viewable by the entire server, but I don’t know, I haven’t done an audit recently, so I’m not sure what’s visible and what’s not.

Renee:

Well, I think this also speaks to another aspect which is that, for me, I love, well, so first of all, I run another startup Dow called Artisan, we’re building a community fund for art, science and public goods. And that is my main job, I spend most of my time doing that, I spend probably five to 10 hours a week on the Free Ross Dow and the rest of my time is spent on Artisan. So for me, I need to not be a critical path to anything, I’m here mostly to make sure this is going in the right direction and represent Ross’s interests as best as I can, and because of that, I really love having individual people that I can point to that have authority and control over something like Schlomo graciously stepped up to be that point person on the meme contest.

Renee:

And Jeremy stepped up to be the point person on the letter writing initiatives. I think we need someone that really owns the discord and that’s their main thing. And it’s probably somewhere around a community manager slash operations person, but I feel like that’s missing right now, I’m not sure who to point to, to make sure that the end to end security is tight on the discord, that end to end, the user experience is good, what does it look like when someone first joins, really just thinking about that, because this is, from a product perspective, that’s my background, discord is the most important sort of product that we’re building and how we’re structuring it is incredibly important. So I’d love to have somebody run that.

Schlomo:

You couldn’t be more right. And this is something we could all discuss as we figure it out, maybe we could get someone who’s not necessarily in our community yet for a couple hours to restructure and tighten up security while we find someone to actually be our new discord enabler manager, right? Who’s in our community, right? So we get someone who really knows what to do to tighten up our security, which is absolutely important especially for our sort of very politicized situation, right? But then also within our community bubble up someone because that job of discord manager and engagement person of the discord is in our world a real job, right? And so I bet you we’ll have someone as we grow from this meme contest and other things, get more people involved in us in a human level, I have a feeling we’re going to find that person internally.

Renee:

I like that. And I think that’s all right.

Schlomo:

But I feel paying a couple hours, three to five hours to someone whose job is to, one, tighten up and two, jumpstart our concepts of engagement, right? Is I think totally worth doing, because we have that big enough of a community that deserves to have all that enabled.

Rizzn:

And Renee, maybe if you could speak a little bit to the type of information security that we should be thinking about when it comes to the stuff that we’re doing, like the nature of, I mean, because I see the need for it broadly and I kind of get the reasons for it, but you’re closer to the issue of the type of information we’re trying to connect or protect. So what sort of specifics can you put on that so that we can have a better idea how to design, what should be public and what should be private?

Renee:

Absolutely. So I think there’s two things. One is there’s just general security hygiene around running a Dow which is that, if you have an adversarial person become an admin who has posting privileges, they can run scams, et cetera. So there’s just that level. The level around Ross is, I think that the sensitivity is that there are people out there that are set against him, and that if they … I think the fear is two twofold. One is, if someone from the press that was against Ross or someone from government agencies that was against Ross, if they were able to see proposals and strategies forming too soon, that, that would give them time to respond in a way that having that happen behind closed doors makes it more difficult. So I think there’s that concern, which I think is valid.

Renee:

But I also think that, if somebody really wanted to get access to that information, they could, right? I mean, it wouldn’t be too hard to social engineer joining our Dow, behaving like a productive reasonable person requesting to join one of these working groups, we’d probably say sure, if they showed up and were posting nice things, that’s sort of the requirement that we have for joining them, we’re pretty permissive. So I’m not a 100% sure how much I agree with that now, just because it’s, I don’t know, I can see it both ways, but that is the concern, just to understand it, is that we don’t want to tip our hand too much or too soon.

Renee:

The other element is that we want to, just like privacy in general, if we have spaces where we can have some level of privacy, we can discuss ideas that are more far ranging, because I think there would be a fear that if all discussion was open to everyone that might have a chilling effect on the idea space that we explore, because we’d be worried that someone would take an idea out of context, or maybe not out of context, but just an idea that’s discussed and say, this represents the Dow, in fact, it’s just one person having a conversation about something that we don’t take any action on. So I think those are the concerns.

Rizzn:

Yeah, that last one that you mentioned, I’ve seen that happen in the press before, I can’t remember what story it was, but it was probably something in the NFT space where … Oh, it was with the Spice Dow, and they took an idea that was kind of about IP rights that was not legally sound and said that was the plan of the Dow, even though it was just something that was discussed and shut down. So, that can definitely have negative PR consequences, but the background you’ve given gives me some ideas of how to pursue it, so it’s something to discuss when I get back into our working groups.

Renee:

Cool, right.

Schlomo:

Does anyone else out there in listener land have anything they want to say about this? Because, I mean, I think we all may have a kind of a feeling on how things could be and we’d love to make sure we hear your opinions.

Renee:

And that’s-

Schlomo:

Am I the only one drinking coffee, people need to step up and [crosstalk 00:45:18].

Renee:

It’s okay. I mean, again, these are, I mean, for me, the things that I love is that, I just think the more we build in public, the easier it is for community to follow. So I’m comfortable with these Twitter spaces being like this where it’s just us talking about the real world shit that we got to get done this week. And I think, or that’ll be interesting to some folks and they’ll join in when they feel ready and at least they’re getting to see the process and the sausage getting made as much we can. So let’s put a pin in the discord thing and just know that I think the main action item there is that we really need to find someone that can own and run that.

Renee:

And that’s probably an operation slash community manager type of role. And that it’s important and I think it’s missing. And I think that goes to, like last week we talked about, or at some point since last week, we talked about needing a job board both on the website and on the discord, that’s not there yet, because there’s just a lot of positions that we need to fill. So I think that’s another high priority, is to be able to communicate clearly what we’re looking for from the community so that people can raise their hand and say, “Oh, that sounds interesting, I do want to get involved, and I have the spare hours and I’d like to make some money and participate in a course I care about.”

Schlomo:

So this may be a really cheesy segue, I mean, I’m purposely interrupting you, but a nice way to get some money and to get involved, I’ve now seen three community memes put up for this meme contest since we’ve been here. And so if they’re the only three, then they all have already won money, Ethereum and free tokens. And it’s such a gateway drug to enter our Dow and to show you care and that’s [crosstalk 00:47:22], just did it.

Renee:

And that’s maybe a great segment or segue to wrapping up too, is just like, this is exciting, I’m glad that we have launched this meme contest, I’m glad that it was a proposal that was generated by the community, and I’m really glad Schlomo that you’re leading it, I’m excited to see it play out over the next couple of weeks. I am the farthest thing in the world from a meme lord, I will try to meme, but I will definitely retweet and love the community’s meme. And I’ll try to make a couple myself. It’s out of my comfort zone, but that’s fine.

Schlomo:

I’m with you, because do you know what I get to do? And those of us who don’t do it is to press like and retweet the ones you love. That’s really what it’s about. It’s about getting as much traction on all of them because they’re all going to be different and people are going to connect differently because of the subjects of how they’re displayed, and that’s what we need is, not just you posting one, we need me seeing your work and retweeting and liking it. That’s even more important, right?

Renee:

Well I’m excited and I’m super pumped, I spent three hours yesterday going through thousands of photos that I had for my time with Ross, and I put together a list of like, I don’t know, 30 of my favorite pictures of Ross and a lot of those are really cool people, I haven’t seen them before, so I think there’s some great media for us to generate positive memes about Ross with. And so I’m excited to see what the community does with that too.

Rizzn:

So just as an update, if everybody scrolls back to the first, no, second tweet that I posted to the space here with the blog post announcing the contest guidelines, the one pager that Kyle put together is now embedded in that blog post with the link to the repository of images of both the NFT collection, as well as that image collection that you just mentioned.

Renee:

Awesome. That’s great. Fantastic. Cool. Well, if there’s anything else folks wanted talk about, hop on, otherwise I covered all the topics that were on my mind. Just grateful for y’all showing up, grateful for your work, and I mean, just week after week, day after day, we’re going to keep at this until Ross is out, however long that takes. All right. Well, much love, big hug to you guys and look forward to seeing you next week at the space.

Schlomo:

Or even sooner, Thursday for our first letter writing party.

Jeremy:

Be there.

Renee:

Or Wednesday for the treasury update.

Schlomo:

I feel like I’m the one who’s only taking coffee today. I feel like I’m hollering at all of us, I love it. Take care everybody.

Kyle:

Be well. Cheers.

Rizzn:

Cheers.

(Silence).

by | Feb 25, 2022 | community call, media | 0 comments

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