FreeRossDAO – July 15th Community Call Transcript

by | Jul 15, 2022

0:00 – Premeeting
4:25 – Meeting Start
5:40 – NYC Aftermath and Getting The Ross Ulbricht VR Experience Onto OculusVR Shops
22:04 – Small Updates and Automation
29:41 – Discord Updates

Host:
Good morning, everyone.

Schlomo:
Hello, Free Ross Friday people. How are you?

Host:
Pretty good. How are you, Schlomo?

Schlomo:
Good. Good, good, good. It’s Friday.

Host:
Are those birds in your background?

Schlomo:
Are there birds in my background? What are you talking about? Oh you-

Host:
Morning birds.

Schlomo:
You mean in my avatar?

Host:
Oh no. I meant your microphone.

Schlomo:
Oh, yes. There’s birds in the background.

Host:
That’s wonderful. I love that.

Schlomo:
Yes. Yes. Crows ready to peck my eyes out.

Host:
Hell yeah.

Schlomo:
Hell yeah. So we’re going to wait a couple more minutes, as people file in. I see some of our happy DAO members are here. Anyone wants to come to the stage, just let us know.

Buttercup:
Hello. Hello.

Schlomo:
Hello. Hello. Hello.

Buttercup:
It’s good to have you around, Schlomo. I’m very excited to hear about you and how you are and how the Mint Pass and everything went.

Schlomo:
Well. The Mint Pass is still going. It’s not sold out yet, so it’s not went. It’s still with us.

Buttercup:
I know. I mean, how were impressions there in New York and how people were reacting to the VR piece?

Schlomo:
Oh, I got that. We talk about that. We could absolutely talk about that.

Buttercup:
Yes. Lets.

Schlomo:
Absolutely. I got myself a stream deck for my birthday and I loaded it up with air horns and fart noises for my video conferences, but I can’t figure out how to make it work with my phone on spaces. And I’m like, what’s the point of owning this thing now?

Host:
That was divine intervention.

Schlomo:
Yes. Everyone dodged a bullet from hearing me press the air horn button. And the soundboard I was making last night was the worst, so annoying. But it worked. I got to annoy people today with it. We’re about to get started in a moment or two. It’s a 10:04. Let’s give it an another couple seconds and then dive in. I say, we do it. Who’s leading this thing today. Unless you want me to lead it, then I guess I am.

Rizzn:
You can lead it. I mean.

Schlomo:
Oh, oh, oh, is that how it is Mark? Is that how it is?

Rizzn:
I’m the cohost. So I feel like that offers me the authority to delegate.

Host:
Yeah. That sounded like volunteering to me.

Schlomo:
Well, welcome to another Free Ross Friday, where we catch up on what our DAO’s been up to, where people can talk to pod leaders and those who are leading proposals that are in process and just generally make sure we all understand that things happen in our DAO every week. Every week we get a little closer to reaching goals than we create for ourselves, in the hopes to get prison reform out into the world and people to understand Ross Holbrook’s case, specifically.

Schlomo:
Right. Did that all sound kind of there? I guess since I’m here, we don’t really have an agenda, I don’t think, today, which is fine. I could free wheel it like anybody. And maybe I’ll start, because I haven’t been here for a while, and talk about New York. Buttercup wanted to hear about that. There’s a couple other people here who were at New York, as well. I had a great conversation with Weaver and Wes. Wes was our lead producer on the VR situation that we did in New York. And that we will be bringing out to the rest of the world soon, which we could talk about as well. We talked about some of our metrics that happened. We averaged about 18 or 19 views an hour for our VR situation, which is really good. When you talk about average, that means could be more than 18, 19 in an hour and less than that. Right? Because in the morning it’s slower.

Schlomo:
As things pick up at lunch, it gets more people. I think 19 an hour is super impressive. We really connected with people. When I was talking to Wes, I was asking what he felt was most important of what happened. And the power of that one-on-one connection of what people are feeling about the artwork that was created in the VR situation. He said it was probably the most important and impactful for him. And I definitely second that emotion. A personal experience is I had a friend come sitting in it, and I’ve known him for like eight, 10 years. And he comes in, he’s like, oh yeah, look at your painted cell. Did you know I was in jail for three years? I said, I did not. And he puts on the headphones, I mean, puts on the Oculus.

Schlomo:
And he lasted about a minute and a half takes them off, and says, nope, because it was that intense of an experience and triggering for him. Not all artwork is there to make you smile. Some can make you think, and make you contemplate. And that is exactly the sort of piece we made. When you’re talking about NFT.NYC and everyone is branding their things. And we create this experience that really talks about isolation and contemplation and what it means to be incarcerated on things that are overreached. We were giving a different thing to the world. We were giving a contemplated, thoughtful, art piece. And I can’t wait for you guys to one, check it out, which we will talk about as well. But also just see other people interact with it, super powerful. This is not a little comedy piece of, and a logo you would put on a skateboard. This is impactful, social change art. And I thought that I needed to make sure that we all understand that we’re together.

Schlomo:
So when you talk about 19 an hour on average, is that a lot? Or is that a little? Well, if you’re in the exhibit, there’s only six seats. So, at most six people could do it at one time. And the exhibit itself is about a little over six minutes long. And so you’re talking about, at most, at the quickest, we could get them in every 10 minutes. Right. So that would be at most, if we’re funneling them through, like cattle, would be 60 people. Right. And that’s just not how it works. They watch it, they take off the Oculus, and they have to decompress for a moment. They’re not ready to jump out of their seat. They need a moment. They’ve literally been thrown around mentally. And that’s just awesome. Yes.

Speaker 5:
Schlomo. I have a question. I don’t know why I didn’t think about this while we were up there. But for the purposes of when it goes on tour. Do you think it might be possible to get people that have viewed it, get a recording of someone asking them, who is Ross? What, if anything, they know about him? And then what their views are about prison, whatever, that kind of thing. And then after they view it, get a second video clip, asking them what their thoughts are. And how the exhibit impacted them? And that would make really good content for the website, TikTok, and just for also promotion for pitching it to other places to exhibit. I wish I would’ve thought about that. But I mean, do you think that might be something that could be okay to do for next time?

Schlomo:
Absolutely. And you remember, because you were there. When we moved into the gallery space, an actual gallery, as opposed to, this was a satellite conference event that we were doing. Right. There was a lot of other things happening in the same room, made it kind of… We were the one truly artistic moment in this whole 17th floor in Times Square, right. Others were more commerce-based or tool-based. We were pure art, and it made it a little hard to have those kind of discussions. You could tell, it was chaotic, a lot. But I do think about it as it travels. And I do think about making these sort of pieces by us getting this into the eyes of people who are known in the world of prison reform and in prison reform activism. And getting this into them and videotaping them and taping them talk about it, as them approving the artwork, for lack of a better term.

Schlomo:
Right. So we can use that as a push piece, also. I did think about that. Things were really chaotic. One thing we did not get it professionally documented, things were just going too crazy, even without going into the weeds. Our art team ditched us less than two days before we’re supposed to set up. Right. And that all kind of shifted. That is one thing I wish I did, is got it professionally documented on the one or two days. So we could use that as a promotional piece.

Rizzn:
So, I mean, you might want to reach out to the Harmony One folks. I don’t know if you’ve had a debrief with them, but I know they had professional documenters walking around. They interviewed me a couple of times, so.

Schlomo:
Awesome. Yeah. I have not seen them do anything with that footage in the world.

Rizzn:
Yeah, if you want. We could [inaudible 00:13:03]

Schlomo:
Sorry, say it again.

Rizzn:
I said we could just ask for the raws, maybe, if they’ve got it.

Schlomo:
Yeah. I don’t really want to besmirch-

Rizzn:
Yeah.

Schlomo:
… the producer. Some of this event and talk about it right now, so.

Rizzn:
Sure, cool.

Schlomo:
You know what I mean?

Rizzn:
I pick up what you laying down.

Schlomo:
Thank you. They were great. And I appreciate all the people who made the production with us. It was less than an ideal situation than what we signed up for, but we made the best of what we could do. Like I said, those who were at the thing, we were definitely the square peg and around the whole situation from moment one. In terms of the level of pure art we were doing, and also the seriousness of thematically of what we were giving, which is awesome. Right. Yeah, man. We don’t have to be the smiley, happy face art thing. We’re here to show that a person’s crypto wallet could also affect change, and not just affect flipping JPEGs. Right.

Rizzn:
That’s right.

Schlomo:
What else I want to make sure I talk about, okay. The VR situation, to actually tap in. We are soon going to have it available to use it. We just kind of finalizing how that will be done. Things that we’re thinking about. I got a meeting with the head of developer relations over at Oculus, so we could try and get it into the Oculus store without paying for it. And we’re going to look at bringing it onto Steam, just in transparency. We’re having internal talks of, do we charge $2 for it? Just a nominal fee. Right. So we could just have a drip of something to come in, or do we just give it free?

Schlomo:
Honestly, I like both ways, because if you have an Oculus, I think you could afford donating two or $3 to the cause. Right. It’s not like an Oculus is like water and food, and you have to have it. So I’m feeling a couple bucks just to have, not a barrier to entry, just to show someone cares, right. It’s less than a cup of coffee for an almost seven-minute intense experience of art. But that’s something we could all talk about. If anyone has any good feelings or bad feelings about either way. I’m open to hearing about it.

Buttercup:
For me. The only thing that I think that’s interesting to ask ourselves is whether we want, even if it’s just $2, if we want there to be a barrier to enter, or if we want as many people as possible to experience it. And maybe it is about putting it out for $2 and making it so that we can have a voucher or a coupon or whatever at the DAO that we can give out in case people don’t have the means or something. I don’t know.

Schlomo:
I hear you. But like I said, if you own an Oculus in your home, you probably have the means. You know what I mean? Owning a VR situation is like learning how to be an airplane pilot. It’s a wealthy person’s game. Right? You can’t do it unless you have actual money. But like I said, it’s not the only way to get in someone’s hands, because we could easily just give it for free to institutions, who will actually use it and such. But I feel if it’s just, Joe Schlomo, sitting around with his Oculus. We should make Joe Schlomo give us a couple dollars. But like I said, I’m open to whatever, and it will not limit us for giving it for free. Right. It’s not an either or.

Schlomo:
We are definitely going to be getting this to those who don’t have an Oculus. We want to bring those Oculuses to them, so they can experience that, as well. Right. But again, I have no super strong thing about it, because in the end I do just want people to see it. Right. But if I could get some degens $2 to help out the cause, it all feels good that we’re bringing in money, so we could then do other good work. Does anyone have any other questions about this so that I could help answer?

Jeremy:
Hey all. Yeah, I do think it’s a very moving experience that we should definitely get into the hands of as many people as possible. My question is maybe we could start collaboratively drafting some type of text or something like that. Has anybody put any text together at all, kind of explaining what this VR thing is? And it’s relation to Ross, and tying it to other issues such as solitary confinement. So I’m just wondering maybe if we don’t already have some text, maybe that’s something that we could kind of collaboratively work on together. And I would be interested in putting some text together, if there isn’t anything.

Schlomo:
Feel free to start that doc. Start that doc, and bring other stakeholders into it. That will be written. I feel New York was three months ago, even though it was not that long ago, because we had COVID. And then I had to really celebrate my birthday for longer than one day. And now I’m on recovery. This week, we’re all just kind of, at least by we all, I mean, me personally, really coming back into the DAO of the level of work I’m used to doing for us.

Jeremy:
First of all, COVID knocked our asses off for a whole week man. Everybody.

Schlomo:
Oh, all of us, all of us. Right. And I’m still nappy. But let’s be honest, if I was going to have symptoms for anything. I love a nap. So. I think it’s still-

Jeremy:
I might still cough and stuff off it, actually.

Schlomo:
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don’t mean to make light of it. This is the third time I’ve had COVID, so I’m at the point that I just got to kind of laugh at it or laugh with it, or else I’m just not going to make it through the work week.

Jeremy:
Well, that helps with the pain man.

Schlomo:
Amen. So we could get that started this week, and I’m totally with that. It just hasn’t been started, but we will be making that whole thing. Basically, it’ll be a gallery page, for lack of a better term. Right. When you see online pages that talk about an exhibit. We’ll have pictures, it’ll have a mission statement of why we’re making it. It’ll talk about the themes of what it’s supposed to be about, that sort of thing. It’s a nice one-pager sort of thing.

Jeremy:
Oh, so you already have something then. Okay.

Schlomo:
No, no, no, no, no. That’s the concept.

Jeremy:
Oh, okay. Yeah. We should definitely put that together. Yeah.

Schlomo:
Yeah, yeah. Right. That is what we need to be making. And so if you want to start that lead, you’re more than welcome, and we’ll all just jump in.

Jeremy:
Yeah. Okay. Let me just ask also, what the general timeframe is on just roughly when you think we would be starting to release it, whether it’s through the Mint Pass folks first or to Steam or whatever? What’s the timeline base?

Schlomo:
No, no, no. Yeah. The VR thing does not have to wait for the Mint Pass to [inaudible 00:20:52]. That is not what it is. Right. Really, the VR thing was a marketing tool for this, and what we do as a DAO together. Right. And this is ready to go out to the world. We’re just fine-tuning all that, by fine-tuning is Weaver is putting it into a package. And now, we just had our meeting yesterday to discuss our next steps. But it could be easily two weeks at the most. I feel, maybe even next week. It’s really about Weaver’s time to get that moving. And also about my meeting with developer relations at Oculus about getting it over there.

Jeremy:
Exciting.

Schlomo:
We’re doing it. We’re doing it together. Any other questions?

Rizzn:
Oh yeah, go ahead.

Schlomo:
Oh no, I’m good. I’m just making sure I’m answering whatever anyone wants.

Rizzn:
I’ve got a bunch of small updates to report on my side of things. Whenever we move past NFT.NYC discussion and VR discussion. But I definitely want to leave people time to talk about that, if they want to. Well, we can always circle back if nobody.

Schlomo:
Yeah. I think the floor is yours.

Rizzn:
Okay, cool. So, I mean, this is not earth-shattering or anything. But now that I’ve had time to circle back on a lot of the automation stuff we’ve been talking about, we should have the more automated version of the review council process and the proposal submission process. Right now, I am putting the finishing touches on a series of pages on our freeross.org website, which will lead directly into the process so that everybody that’s on the Review Council and the Advisory Council will basically have a Google doc thrown in front of them that they can look at and perform their duties on. And hopefully this will lead to us getting a much more smooth proposal process going. And Jeremy, I know you’ve got one that’s basically ready to go. So as soon as this process is done, I was just going to dog food your proposal through the process. If you’re down for that.

Jeremy:
Yeah. I’ll give it a week to tinker with it. But yeah.

Rizzn:
Cool.

Schlomo:
Yeah. We were talking about you and your proposal earlier this week with Jess, and it’s time for us to jump in and help you get that to the finish line.

Rizzn:
Yeah. Speaking of which, I think, we found not all of, but most of the proposed budget within existing budget lines. I don’t know if you’ve had a chance to check the Google doc, but I left some comments for you that kind of go into detail. So, I think, you’ll be happy with at least what I think we can put together for you.

Jeremy:
Excellent. Yeah. We’re talking about the reform pod proposal. Yeah, definitely. I’ll be working on it again this week. I want to play around with more of the bounty stuff that you had set up and maybe line up a few examples of these action items and groups that we’re talking about, just so we could demonstrate the workflow and the process for the criminal justice stuff. So yeah. I’ll work with you on that this week. We’ll speak more about it.

Rizzn:
Sounds great. Yeah. It’s a really good proposal. Yeah. I think the Review Council is not going to have much to do on this one. I think you adhere to the format pretty well. So this will sail through pretty quickly.

Schlomo:
And will this be proposal number 10. Crazy. Number 10. Just to say to the world that you don’t know when we talk about this stuff, if you hold our governance going free, which is easy to get through our bounty system of just doing lightweight things, to help bring attention to Ross’s case and to help free Ross. You could propose to do something with the DAO. For instance, we just talked about the VR thing and the NFT sale that we made a proposal for that, because people like me and a couple other people wanted to do it. Jeremy has something that he wants to do, and we help facilitate that and help us all win in making something positive and actionable. That’s the sort of DAO we are in, that’s what makes us good.

Rizzn:
Exactly. One other automation that I turned on this week is just mostly to help kind of bridge the core team to the rest of the community a little bit better. A lot of what our project coordination is done in is a tool called BaseCamp, which is kind of like, I guess, a lot of the activity there is shielded from the rest of the DAO. And so it may not look like all the activity that’s happening is happening. So there’s a new channel that’s available to view called Activity on the discord. And that means if you’re in BaseCamp, no more talking smack about anybody, because it’ll show up there. But if you are interested in the inner workings of what we’re doing and the minutiae of what it takes to get some of the projects done, I mean, we’re laying bare the whole thing there. Anytime someone leaves a comment or adds it to do or any other minor activity, there’s a little update there. It’s a very chatty channel.

Schlomo:
Oh, no. You mean, everything I put is now auto posting into that channel.

Rizzn:
Yeah. Yeah. Starting today.

Schlomo:
Oh gosh. All right.

Rizzn:
I can dive into the details of what’s what. Not every project makes it out, because some projects need to be private. But the Review Council stuff will not necessarily all be public, because that’s a different set of automations anyway. But the general operations is all public and whatever. Whenever we spin up a new project, it’s up to us to make it public or private. You have to push a button whenever we make a new project, whether it’ll be public or private. So we’ll know that at the outset.

Schlomo:
Both exciting, and no one needs to hear about me changing my avatar on an automated thing. But thank you for doing the work.

Rizzn:
Well, transparency. We try to be an open DAO. Right?

Schlomo:
Amen. That’s true. That is something we are striving to do. Is David here? No. Speaking of public things. I wanted to talk about our June analytics and try and help get that towards the finish line, but he is not here. So we’ll talk to him later about it. I’ve just wondered, because I know he is busy, and he just got engaged and such. That maybe we find someone to do eight hours on hammering on our June analytics. So we could just put it to bed and bring it out into the world.

Rizzn:
Right.

Schlomo:
Yeah.

Rizzn:
We’ll talk to him maybe on Monday, hopefully.

Schlomo:
Yep, absolutely.

Rizzn:
I don’t have anything else to report for me. So what about you Schlomo or anybody else here on the call?

Schlomo:
Right. I’m great. Opening it up to the greater good. Does anyone have anything they want to say or anything they want to discuss? This is a nice, quick little call. It’s been a long time since I’ve been on the Friday ones I feel, it’s good to be here.

Jeremy:
I don’t know if anybody from the social media pod has made an announcement so far today on this call, about all the different, exciting things that are happening on the discord, all the different social media pod events, such as the screenings of deep web and screenings of Princess Bride. And it’s just kind of cool. I just want to say that they’re organizing all the different events. And we’re doing a book reading. So there’s activity going on in the discord. So see you there.

Speaker 5:
Yeah. I was at the last, well, deep web viewing. That was pretty fun.

Rizzn:
Prosper, do you have a list of anything upcoming for the next week.

Host:
In general? Yes. I don’t know what movie we’re going to watch next week. Where’s my list?

Schlomo:
Can you do a little run through of all these new events in the discord that you guys all put together?

Host:
Yes.

Schlomo:
Thank you.

Host:
Give me one second. I’m looking for my list. Okay, cool. So Mondays at 8:00 PM central, we do a book club in the book club channel. At the moment, we’re reading… It’s kind of like a collection of essays. We do this till we free Ross. It’s really good. We’ve been kind of doing two essays a week, because they’re pretty short and easy to comprehend. But we’ve been doing it very informally. So mostly through text, I think this week we are going to have a call, so we can kind of actually verbally chat about it. But it is just kind of like as you go at your own pace, so it’s not super pressured to join at that moment, which is good. Because I feel like when I talk about things, I’m better at putting it in words textually. And then Thursday at 1:00 PM central, we do an early version of the media party, which is either the movie we’ve chosen for that week or some video.

Host:
And then Thursdays at seven we have the letter writing party. And then directly after that at 8:00 PM, again, we have a late version of the media party. Those times have been working so far, because we do get both groups of people that are on earlier in the day, at least at different time zones, too. But if there are other times that you guys think would work better, we are still tweaking it. We’re just trying to figure out what works and sticks right now. But so far, going from the letter writing party directly into a media party afterwards, it’s been working really well. And then there’s the community call at 12:00 PM on Fridays. And that’s all we have so far. Some of them will change just because, like I said, we’re trying to see what sticks. What people actually show up for? What times work?

Schlomo:
That’s awesome. And someone just pinned to the top here, a tweet with a slide that says what we are doing for the week in the discord. So if anyone wants to give that a quick little look, put that in your calendar, it’s there. Thank you all for doing that step. I love seeing all this action happening and people just being together in a social level and a lightweight level to discuss the themes together as a community. It’s just good. Good work, good work.

Host:
But yeah. Also, if anyone has any movie recommendations or things you want to see or even books. We do have a couple books we are looking at potentially doing next, but we’re always taking submissions, too, because it’s like, if you want to be a part of it, you might as well do something you want to be involved in.

Rizzn:
There’s so many silk road documentaries to hate watch.

Host:
There’s so many.

Rizzn:
Jinxy and Jess have both like sent so many to me personally, that we can really make a meal out of just roasting them.

Host:
It’s definitely something to do.

Schlomo:
Awesome. Does anyone else have any questions? Comments, questions, love, hate, anything they want to say to the greater group. Though, you don’t have to say hate things. I’m just giving you the option. You don’t have to use that option.

Rizzn:
I think that might be a forum. What someone [inaudible 00:34:30]

Schlomo:
Love it. Well, another Free Ross Friday, another great week in the DAO. Maybe by this time next week we’ll be able to download the VR stuff off of a store. And let’s just keep going. In a couple weeks. We’ll really kind of start talking about bringing this into gallery spaces. We already have one in Santa Monica and one in Portland that has already done handshake deals about getting this out there. But that is it. It’ll be a more curated environment. And so I think we’re going to push that closer to next quarter. It’s not going to be next month, right? Because we want to make something good that travels. But yeah, that’s where I’m at. Happy Free Ross Friday, not happy but Free Ross Friday and see you next week.

Rizzn:
Indeed, see you next Friday.

Jeremy:
Free rest Friday.

Schlomo:
Take care everybody.

Buttercup:
Free Ross Friday.

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